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Why Should Your Audience Listen to You?

I am pacing. In the dark, I can barely make out the stage manager and his assistant hunching over a monitor, intently watching the speaker on stage.

The author on the TEDx Cherry Creek Women stage, Denver, 2019: “The Tulsa Race Massacre: Why We Don’t Understand Racism.”

My hands sweat. I repeat lines in my head, over and over. Candice, the speaker manager, walks over. “Are you OK?” she whispers. I put my hand on my heart. She reaches out, folds both of my hands in hers. We breathe together. One minute, two minutes, three. My heart rate slows–a bit. Then: applause. The emcee walks on stage. It is my cue. 

I walk through the heavy curtains. In the middle of the red circle, I plant my feet. Once again, my heart pounds. I turn and look into the audience, take a deep breath. They are waiting for me to speak. “There are so many untold stories in America,” I say.

And that’s when I feel it. Electricity, like translucent fiber-optic threads, humming between every one of the 250 people in the audience and me. For the next 13 minutes, I know, then, that they are mine.

It took 12 seconds. Just a pause, a breath, and one sentence to create that humming, alive, warm bond between us. 

It doesn’t matter whether you speak on stage, behind a mic, or on paper: That’s all you have: Seconds, maybe a minute, to capture the interest of your audience. Otherwise, they drop away, find something else in this clamorous world to give their attention to.

And that’s a problem.

Because when we lose the audience in those first 30 seconds, it is a treacherous climb up a rocky slope to get them back.

Sometimes you can, but often, it’s already too late. And then all of the work you have done, sometimes for months or even years, is wasted. They won’t hear you. And that’s what we want and need, of course: to create relationships with our listeners, our viewers, and our readers. 

My job is to help hosts and producers create an unbreakable bond with their audiences, and that starts with those first few seconds.

I wanted to know how the very best podcast hosts do this consistently—not just with one speech, but with every episode. So I examined the conversations I’ve had with top podcasts hosts in the first season of Sound Judgment, which unpacks how they make their magic.

I looked deeply at the practices of three hosts—two of narrative shows, one of a hit conversation program. Despite the stark differences between their podcasts, they all employ the same four  principles in their “ledes” — their intros.

  • Surprise the listener

  • Spark their curiosity

  • Start in the middle of a scene

  • Know your destination and purpose

In “A Love Story,” from Lemonada Media’s Last Day, a moving, intimate tale of a couple who lost their son to suicide, Stephanie Wittels Wachs starts with a raucous, exciting scene where she and her producers were learning to shoot guns on a shooting range.

In “Paging Dr. Barnes,” the sensational story of a con man who pretended to be a doctor for decades, Emma Courtland of Gimlet’s Crime Show brings us to a baseball stadium, where the con man’s son lovingly recalls his father bringing him to his very first game, as a toddler.

In What Should I Read Next? host Anne Bogel tells the audience what she hopes they will do together for the next hour, and invites them to join her on the journey to satisfy the curiosity she has sparked. 

To hear these scenes and learn more about why they work, along with more exploration of the four principles, listen to the latest episode of Sound Judgment: How to Hook Your Listener in 30 Seconds or Less

I was both lucky and prepared that day, a few years ago when I did a TEDx talk on the Tulsa Race Massacre. The audience did, indeed, stay with me, every second of the rest of that talk, and I felt that magical connection through every twist and turn in my tale. We were so inside that story that when I reached the turning point—sharing a painful truth from my son—I struggled to hold back tears.

At the end, they stood to applaud. Again, my hand went to my heart, this time with a wave of emotion, not nerves.


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